Rape LOL
Some dumbass girl is sleeping in a basement at her boyfriend’s house. His brother gets into bed with her in the dark and screws her. She enjoys it so much that she moans her “boyfriend’s” name. After he’s done and slinks out, her eyes apparently have adjusted to the dark and she sees, OMG, it’s his brother! OH NOES! 911? I WAS RAPED.
The best part? Her case was dismissed. In Massachusettes, no less. Maybe there is some sanity returning to the world.
Of course, if you listen to the chorus of dumb bitches out there, they are crying to have the laws changed.
Let’s get this straight:
- You are sleeping in a house occupied by more than one man.
- You are awoken in the middle of the night by a stiff cock.
- You let said stiff cock enter you without taking the time to check to whom it’s attached. You put up no physical or verbal resistance and by any 3rd party measure, you consented to the dicking.
- You moan a lot and evidently enjoy it.
- You realize you’re a dumbass and just got fucked by the wrong man.
- You dial 9-1-1 and claim rape, fully prepared to testify in court that he raped you because even though you let him screw you, you thought he was someone else. Therefore, this man is guilty and should be put in prison for at least 5 years.
So basically, because this dumb whore didn’t look before she leapt, it was somehow this guy’s fault. In other words, we, as men, have a legal responsbility to protect women from their own incompetence. Am I wrong? Is this interpretation factually inaccurate? It feels like every time a woman gets a new right, it’s just one more responsibility that men need to shoulder to keep these girls from being hurt. I mean, hell, look at the modern workplace. It has evolved into a place where you have to walk on your toes all the time to make sure you might not possibly offend the sensibilities of some girl who might start crying and sue the company.
When girls pull this bullshit every minute of every day, they lose a lot of respect in the eyes of men. I’m not defending this loser brother — I think he’s a total perv loser — but the blame is on both sides of the fence. Everyone who knows anything about women knows exactly what this broad is doing. She’s trying to cover her ass. If he raped her, then she’s a victim. If he didn’t rape her, she’s just a dumbass. This girl is willing to convict this man of a felony and put him in prison for five years to save herself some embarassment. This shit happens every single day.
I am so thankful that the court dismissed this case. I have been sick of listening to these dumb whores ruin men’s lives with bullshit rape charges. Banged someone you’d be embarassed to admit that you slept with to your circle of friends? Were you drunk? “OMG HE RAPED ME (I think).”
Men know this. In the good old days, rape penalties were far lesser than they are today. Why? Because we know how ridiculous, irrational, and absolutely selfish women can be when their social standing is on the line. And we also know that in rape cases, at least 50% of the time the only evidence is a squishmitten filled with DNA and a he-says-she-says debate in a court room.
Let your boyfriend beat the shit out of his brother. Considering you apparently enjoyed the sex and are only emotionally damaged, I think a serious beating by your boyfriend and a shunning of the brother by his whole family when they find out what he did is enough punishment, don’t you think?
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What? No, fuck this shit. She was raped by some guy she didn’t want to sleep with and the court throws it out? This is bullshit. God forbid you can fall asleep in your boyfriend’s/girlfriend’s house and not have to worry about getting fucked. Do you even listen to the shit you’re spewing?
This is what we call missing the point entirely. She CONSENTED TO THE FUCKING. The fact that she didn’t bother to check who was fucking her in a dark room means that she is equally to blame.
Let’s imagine for a minute that a bank teller is sitting behind the counter with his eyes closed. You ask to withdraw $100 from some arbitrary account. The bank teller makes absolutely no attempt to discern your identity. He just takes a $100 bill out of the drawer, hands it to you, and debits the account you specified.
What crime has been committed and whose fault is it?
Yeah, uhm I have to go with emach on this one. LOL @ the girl.
Unless they were twins, how the hell do you confuse them?
The world needs more balanced feminist like the Independent Women’s Forum, instead of raving psycho militant feminazis that spit non-sequiturs.
Feminism created Tucker Max, confuckingratulations.
Um, nobody thinks that THE GUY WHO FUCKED A WOMAN UNASKED needs to go to jail? He did something horribly wrong- he shouldn’t be sneaking into his brother’s girlfriends sleeping bag, and if a woman is asleep, she can’t say ‘yes’ to sex, making it lack of consent… which makes it rape. She was asleep, but this guy wasn’t, which means he knew what he was doing, which means that yes indeed he is a rapist. Aaaaaand rapists are bad and should go to jail.
Listen, dumbfuck. She did not CONSENT TO THE FUCKING. She thought she was fucking her boyfriend. She consented to fucking her boyfriend. She did not consent to fucking her boyfriend’s rapist brother. It is intregral to the legal definition of consent that one have reasonably correct knowledge of what they are consenting to. You are obviously too fucking stupid to understand this shit.
Right, so the man here is “a total perv loser” and “the blame is on both sides of the fence,” and yet you’ve spent the entirety of your post talking about how much it’s the woman’s fault that she got raped. Can you really say you’d *always* have the presence of mind to check whether the person who woke you up in the middle of the night for a quickie was the person you were in a relationship with? Or to notice if something wasn’t exactly the way it usually was? And has it not fucking occurred to you that the man who raped her INTENDED for her to assume he was her boyfriend? He *woke her up in the middle of the night* — he knew she wouldn’t consent if she knew who he was. And yet somehow SHE’S the one you think it’s appropriate to blame for this incident, despite the fact that she’s not the one who went into it intending to trick someone into having sex with her.
Seriously, just fuck you. People like you are the reason men like this rapist think it’s perfectly okay for them to rape women. Because people like you go around telling them that it’s the woman’s fault and she should have been more careful, despite the fact that she had no INTENTION OF RAPING SOMEONE and HE FUCKING DID.
This is sickening. Who a person’s partner is in a sexual act is part of what defines it. Even if this woman enjoyed the sexual act when she thought she was being fucked by her boyfriend, that doesn’t invalidate the fact that she did NOT consent to being fucked by the brother. He is clearly guilty of rape in that he did not receive INFORMED CONSENT from the woman, and in that he TRICKED her in order to VIOLATE HER BODY. This is similar to using a date rape drug or fucking a girl who is passed out. A drugged or unconscious woman might not even know that she was raped – just like the woman in question here didn’t know she was being raped – until much later. It doesn’t make it any less rape.
Furthermore, RAPE IS NEVER FUNNY. Even in the case of a false rape charge, there is no reason not to take the situation seriously. Your subject line, “Rape LOL,” suggests that you think rape is funny whether it’s real or not. It’s not. Rape is a physical and emotional violation. Charges of rape – AND criticism of those charges – should be treated with the gravity they merit.
In case you’re wondering, I’m not surprised in the least by this vitriolic chorus of androgynists who find it impossible to implicate a woman’s own carelessness in a sexual act.
I don’t know how to spell this out in a clearer way. The facts of the case are simple: this woman did not resist sex. She did not resist.
She was not drugged. She was not asleep. At no time did she say no. At no time did she struggle.
“He is clearly guilty of rape in that he did not receive INFORMED CONSENT from the woman, and in that he TRICKED her in order to VIOLATE HER BODY.”
Yes. He tricked her. I bet she feels very stupid right now.
Thank you for confirming the entire point of the post: avoiding the embarassment caused to a woman who would let a man fuck her in the dark without bothering to check who it was first is more important than logic, reasoning, or truth. Every part of Ms. B Peregrine’s “argument” – if you can call it that – is seething with emotion and devoid of legal value. That’s probably why the courts agreed with me.
As for this tidbit of retardation: “Can you really say you’d *always* have the presence of mind to check whether the person who woke you up in the middle of the night for a quickie was the person you were in a relationship with?”
Yes.
But let’s imagine for a minute a world of fiction where I too found myself in a situation where my own carelessness led me here. The last thing I would do is start pointing the finger in a vain attempt to place the blame squarely on everyone except me.
If any of you people had a modicum of intelligence you would have used an example like this to counter me: suppose you forget (or choose not) to lock your doors and a cat burglar enters your house and steals your posessions. Under the law, you are innocent and the burglar is guilty. To correlate more closely with what happened here, think about Frank Abagnale, who impersonated an airline pilot and cashed forged payroll checks. In effect, this man’s brother impersonated his brother and then “stole” sex from this woman. Because it’s sex and not a possession, we call this “rape”.
Of course examples like this probably didn’t even enter your shallow minds because it teeters to closely to commoditizing sex as if it’s something that can be stolen.
The general line of argument by these simpletons is this: the woman had a standing arrangement with her boyfriend that they sleep together. Therefore, if her boyfriend had awoken her in the night and slept with her, no crime is committed. Since she did not have a standing arrangement with her boyfriend’s brother, sleeping with her under any circumstance (wittingly or unwitingly) is not okay.
Of course, the same people who are making these arguments would probably also tell me that if her boyfriend had awoken her and she said, “I’m tired and not in the mood” and he persisted he would also be guilty of raping her, regardless of this standing arrangement (which, by the way has absolutely zero legal basis since our laws make it clear that sexual consent is given on a per-incidence basis). As usual, idiot feminists want to have it both ways: her boyfriend is guilty of rape if she doesn’t say yes every single time, and everyone else is guilty of rape if she doesn’t say no.
The informed consent argument is the weakest nonsense I have ever heard. Newsflash: if the woman has a right to say yes or no, it is her responsibility and hers alone to gather any information necessary to make that choice. In this case, that means turning on the fucking light.
If I sign a contract, can I later claim that it’s invalid because I didn’t read the text before I signed it? The answer is a resounding no because were I stupid enough to sign something I didn’t read, it’s my responsibility to bear the consequences.
You people are fucking idiots. If you want to advance the plight of women in the western hemisphere, a good place to start would be to stop painting all women as helpless victims in every interchange in which men are involved. By trying to argue that all the responsibilities in this case fall upon the man, you’re basically saying that women are incapable of protecting their own bodies and incapable of making decisions about their own vaginas. Who’s the feminist, here? Why should women have rights if they also have no responsibilities?
It’s so true that empty vessels make the most noise. Fuck up and die, shit for brains.
how does any of what you just said change the fact that this guy raped her? he snuck in and started fucking her when she was asleep. he didn’t ask for her consent. how is that not rape?
no matter what she did or didn’t do, he did something deeply wrong. why can’t you admit that?
It would be rape, if she said “no, wait, stop, who are you?”, and he wouldn’t stop.
It would be consensual if she was too lazy or horny to check who just crawled into her bed, especially seeing as she’s sleeping in someone elses’ house, and let them have their way with her.
We live in a shitty world, it shouldn’t surprise people if the boyfriends’ brother turned out to be a jackass. However, it’s not up to the brother to respect her, it’s up to the girl to look out for herself.
In my part of the world, there’s gotta be some form of a witness to a rape claim, whether they saw it happen, saw the guy pursuing the girl, heard yelling, etc. These kind of claims are serious, and they require serious evidence, not just the testimony of a humiliated girl.
It’s real easy to understand, moron.
Say you are going into surgery. You consent to a knee procedure. When you wake up, you find they have performed three other procedures. Now, shall we all laugh at you and say: ‘well, you CONSENTED to surgery. It’s not the doctor’s fault that you were too incompetent to prevent other procedures from being performed. Why, they ought to throw your case out of court!’
How about this one.
You consent to have BDSM sex with a nice young lady. She ties you up and blindfolds you. She then does a number of things to your posterior with what you think is a realistic dildo. But, oh no! When the blindfold is removed, it turns out that you have just been fucked anally by her brother. So shall we all laugh at you for being too stupid to identify who was fucking you?
If you consent to act A with person B, then it’s not okay for act C to be done instead, or for person D to be involved. You did not consent to act C. You did not consent to involvement with person D.
This girl consented to sex with her boyfriend, not with another person. If you can’t get that, you’re either too stupid or too invested in hating women. The fact that you can’t get through a post without calling this girl a number of hateful names speaks for itself. That judge had a problem with empathy and so do you.
“Cyn” – how many other ways do I have to spell it out? She didn’t consent to “her boyfriend”, she consented to “the man that was having sex with her.” It was dark. She didn’t know who it was. She didn’t bother to check. The fact that she assumed it was her boyfriend and not his brother doesn’t change consent. In other words, who she thought she was fucking vs. who was actually fucking her is immaterial. The only criteria that matters (legally) is whether she attempted to resist sex and was forced. “But she would have resisetd if only she knew…”
Stop right there. Exactly. “If only.” If only things were different it might be rape. Things aren’t different so it isn’t rape.
Your surgery example is a false analogy, and I spelled out why that doesn’t count in my latest reply: there is no implication that having sex with someone one time is by default consent for future times. The law is very clear on this and every woman, particularly those who have had one night stands they’d rather not admit, would agree.
Please check the facts of the case which I have spelled out so many times that I’m really starting to get sick of it.
THE GIRL WAS CONSCIOUS THE ENTIRE TIME. SHE COULD HAVE STOPPED IT WHENEVER SHE CHOSE.
In your surgery example, in order for it to conform to the circumstances of this imaginary rape, it wouldn’t be that the surgeon performs extra surgeries on you, it would be that the surgeon you hired to perform the surgery does not in fact perform the surgery, and instead the hospital pulls a homeless guy off the streets, hands him a scalpel, and lets him have at it with your knee.
In your second example: “So shall we all laugh at you for being too stupid to identify who was fucking you?”
Yes. Yes, we would laugh. And if we had the video, we’d post it on the internet.
If you put yourself in a situation where you remove your ability to see what’s happening (i.e., a dark room) and instead make an assumption about what’s happening to you, and you make no motions to stop whatever it is that’s happening to you, you have no rights at all.
We do not protect people from their own assumptions. If you take actions based on faulty assumptions, you have only yourself to blame.
“If you can’t get that, you’re either too stupid or too invested in hating women.”
Would you be content with a legal system in which once a man marks his territory (i.e., humps a woman) he can hump her again with or without consent whenever he chooses?
I wouldn’t. Neither would any civilized person who respects women at all.
The girl gets humped in the dark. She doesn’t say yes per se but she doesn’t say no. Consent is implied because… why? Because she assumed it was her boyfriend? Even if that point is taken, in order for this to constitute consent (in comparison to any other man sleeping with her), you’d also have to show that this enigmatic agreement between man and woman that they are “in a relationship” means the man is free to sleep with her with the level of consent provided (in this case, implied only because the girl never said no).
“That judge had a problem with empathy and so do you.”
No. No. You’re the one with the problem with empathy. You would rather empathize with a woman whose only scar from this experience is a bit of humiiliation and a lesson learned about knowing who you’re screwing before you screw them. I would rather empathize with a guy who could have been thrown in prison for FIVE YEARS to spare this girl a bit of embarassment.
I think I’ve made it pretty clear that I do not consider this so-called rape a moral act nor do I consider that this so-called rapist is innocent of any wrong doing. But rape? Five years? No. I believe the blame is shared equally. He shouldn’t have done it, but she should have stopped him. If he refused to stop, he’s a rapist. Otherwise, he’s just a pervert.
QED.
“If you put yourself in a situation where you remove your ability to see what’s happening (i.e., a dark room) and instead make an assumption about what’s happening to you, and you make no motions to stop whatever it is that’s happening to you, you have no rights at all.”
So by that analogy, you disgusting excuse for a human being, if YOU are in bed, asleep, at night, in your own house or as you would say – put yourself in a situation where you remove your ability to see what’s happening – and you give your girlfriend a key to your house cause you’re expecting her to come over after her nightshift at work and she comes in while you’re asleep, climbs into bed, puts her hand on your dick which is very pleasurable for you and then she cuts off your dick with your own kitchen knife that you carelessly left lying around in your kitchen drawer, then, that’s your fault and your responsibility. You carelessly let her touch your penis. No crime has been committed because you gave her a key to your front door, you failed to check your girlfriend’s criminal and psychiatric past and you failed to lock up your kitchen knife. Dickless loser!
Good… let the hate flow through you…
That’s a creative analogy. Better than most I’ve heard so far, the metric so being that it took me about 10 seconds longer to deconstruct than all of the others.
Let’s agree on some things up front, shall we?
Involuntary penectomy is always illegal, regardless of who is performing it.
Voluntary penectomy is always legal (theoretically) regardless of who is performing it – let’s not get hung up on detais like only a licensed surgeon is allowed to perform amputations.
Involuntary sex is always ilelgal, regardless of who initiates it.
Voluntary sex is mostly legal, as long as both parties are human and over the age of 18. I’m fairly certain this particular stipulation applies in this case.
Agreed?
In a hypothetical situation in which this girl were *provably* unconscious, asleep, or otherwise incapacitated during sex, the law is pretty clear that this constitutes rape since consent is impossible to obtain, and I agree with that aspect of the law wholeheartedly. Likewise, the same would be true of penectomies, regardless of any pre-established notion of consent.
In order for your example of my girlfriend coming into my house (which I constented to by giving her a key) and cutting off my dick to be analagous to her boyfriend’s brother sexing her, the situation would have to be this: I gave consent to my girlfriend’s sister to cut my penis off, but my girlfriend came in and cut it off. And while she was cutting it off, the room was dark. I didn’t stop her, because I assumed it was her sister, not her.
Put another way, the difference between sex and penectomies is that the consent to sex is based on the identity of the other party whereas the consent to a penectomy is based on the action itself, not necessarily who performs it. If I wanted to have my cock cut off, am I really going to care all that much who does it? Surgeon A, Surgeon B, or Lorena Bobbit? Probably not.
As you can see this is quite clearly apples and oranges.
The whole issue in this case revolves around the identity of the other participant in sex, not the act itself. The law on rape very clearly indicates that a rape occurs when a girl does not consent to the act of sex – *regardless* of the identity of the assailant. In other words, even a woman’s husband is guilty of rape if he forces sex on her against her will.
I would think that anyone inclined to consider this case a rape would probably agree with that legislation as written. Since identity is taken out of the equation when it comes to consent, it necessarily means that if a girl consents to sex it is not rape regardless of who the other person is, with the exception of statuotory rapes (such as employer/employee, adult/child, etc – the definition of a statuotory rape is a sex act in which it is considered not possible for the female to consent to sex, even when she says “yes” or initiates it).
You can’t have it both ways, right? Personally I believe the way it currently works is both the logical and moral choice. There is no such thing as implied consent based on identity, therefore, there can be no such thing as lack of consent based on identity. Thus, the impetus is on the woman to confirm the identity of her partner before she consents to sex.
Actually, I know we’re usually on the opposite side… but I agree with you. It sounds like she was caught cheating by her boyfriend (probably heard the sounds, or his brother told him), and is trying to yell rape to cover her ass. This happens all the time (it breaks up friendships a lot), and unfortunate people are caught in the cross fire of dumb girl.
However, in a situation like that (assuming the HIGHLY improbable chance that this girl is telling the truth), the brother should have been trusted enough to not do this. This girl had no reason to believe that the brother would come in and rape her. So if she was awoken by sex, than she would reasonably believe that it would be her boyfriend, and because brothers often look alike, in a dark setting, during the fog of sex, you cannot determine the difference.
The thing is, during sex (from personal experience, at least) so many things are happening, so many emotions are coming through,, so many thoughts are going through your mind that to think to look (especially in a trusted situation) would not even come to thought. But some information did get through. I would imagine after he hurriedly left and she calmed down she realized certain factors (such as member size, or body figure) that did not feel like her boyfriend, and realized she was raped… This happens all the time too. So, I understand where you’re coming from… but to assume a person would even think to examine the person that is having sex with them, while in THEIR LOVERS HOUSE (a place I imagine her lover frequents), is kind of taking the fog of sex out of the equation… so yeah, if she’s not lying (and big if), she WAS raped.
Your friend in dissonance,
Jack
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Has anyone considered that she was having an affair with the her boyfriend’s brother and at risk of being found out or regreting the decision to do so, then decided to cry rape to avoid confrontation?
Ignore the above post, Paradigm of Though already beat me to it.